ch 6&13

[morgan]

can someone explain to me why ch 6 & 13 HDTV signals are not on Time Warner?

[horrorfan2112]

If you ask time warner they will say it's the networks fault .. If you ask the networks they will say it's time warners fault . The truth lies somewhere in the middle . The tv stations want to be compensated for their investment in HDTV . They want to charge us to watch content that they already provide in SD for free . Time warner does not want to charge their customers any fees for programming that they already receive for free. This battle with channel 6 cost us a superbowl in hdtv and that just sucks. If channel ten fox and pbs are giving us the signal then why can't nbc and cbs? It all comes down to greed basically .

[morgan1]

dont they realize or care that if Time Warner pays for the HDTV signal (and what makes them think their signal is any better than 10 or pbs) that its US the subscribers that will pay for this in higher cable bills?
Its not like there giving us anything new its the same thing they have now just broadcast in HDTV. If there trying to get back the investment to change to HDTV, they should charge higher advertising rates, dont make me pay!!!!

[Skaggs]

horrorfan2112 said:

This battle with channel 6 cost us a superbowl in hdtv and that just sucks.

Not only the Superbowl, but the Daytona 500, the NCAA Men's basketball tournament, and soon The Masters golf tournament.

Updating equipment to the latest technology is the price of doing business in the media world. If you don't keep up with the technological advances, you eventually get pushed aside by those that do. What did WRGB do when color TV came about?

WNYT and WRGB are holding their HD viewers hostage by demanding a fee from TWC for the same content shown as on their SD channel. I agree with morgan1...charge more for advertising.

[MasterFX1]

It is not the same content... in fact it is more than 5 times the content. Otherwise you wouldn't care which version you were watching. If it truly was the same you wouldn't miss it would you?

If you were to only order the HD locals on TWC you would pay $20/month. Of that $0.00 goes to the stations.

Time Warner sells advertising time on their channels, shouldn't cable then be free?

Why should 6 or 13 help TWC make money if they can't share a rediculously small fraction of the approximately $100/mo on average they get per subscriber? And when I say small, I mean small. If you look at TWC's track record in other markets they will eventually charge extra for an HD tier down the road, what opportunity then will stations have to fight for their fair share?

[Hankster]

How come than us, the consumers are mad with WRGB. I don't heare anybody that couldn't receive the Superbowl complain about TWC. The only ones I hear that take WRGB's side are the ones that must be employed by them. What if TWC stopped carrying the analog broadcast of WRGB! Than what? Would everyone run out and buy antenna's just to see WRGB? I think not. Everywhere you look HD is being adverstised either by dish companies or cable systems.

Satellite companies charge for HD content, more than TWC charges me. Dish Network wants $9.99 & DirecTV wants $10.99.

It is too bad we the consumers get screwed. But I don't mine, TWC gives me plenty of HD right now. Who needs WRGB.

;D

[morgan1]

it sounds like masterfx works for either 6 or 13
6 and 13 want me to buy an antenna to get the HDTV signal, i'm in a high rise apt bldg and i dont have that option, thats why i got cable.
I hope TW never pays for the HDTV signal from 6 and 13, it will only cause my bill to go higher!!!!!

[horrorfan2112]

The thing thats realy funny about this is that we have this guy here who is trying to generate sympathy for television stations that are basically holding us hostage as Skaggs has said . I have an intergrated hdtv I can receive channel 6 over the air . I choose not to watch this station solely because I have been waiting since november of last year for them to turn on their digital channel on time warner . Now as far as feeling like I should compensate channel 6 for their upgrade costs no I don't feel like I should have to do anything like pay for their upgrade . The transition to hdtv has been some twenty years in the making. Now in 2004 we have 10 channels of hdtv on time warner cable . we also have local stations that jumped right in and added their siganal to the mix without whining about their upgrade costs . I pay over 150 a month for time warner cable with the packages I have, and roadrunner etc. I cannot find it in myself to want to pay more for the same content just because its in hdtv. Nobody compensated me for my investment in hdtv but you dont see me whining about how many thousand it cost me to be able to see what 1080i looks like . I would pay more for a full time hdtv channel like hdnet or discovery hd but channel 6 only has a few hours of hdtv content a day and channel 13 has even less . As far as hdtv having 5 times the information, master fx should get his numbers right . hdtv does not have 1500i+,even if broadcast analog tv had the pitiful resoloution of vhs which is 240 lines there still wouldnt be 5 times the content as he claims. But that's another story ..

[morgan1]

does anyone know if Time Warner or ch 6 or 13 read items on this board?
horrorfan i enjoyed your comments and they are very accurate.

[horrorfan2112]

Morgan I can assure you that time warner reads this forum . I do not know if the stations are reading though.

[SONY007]

For those that blame TWC, please do your research. Channel 6 and Channel 13 are in fact holding out for more money. They have a contract with TWC that states when they are ready for HD (which they both are and have been) the signal will be provided to TW. If you want your cable rates to go up for HD programming, then keep lobbying that TWC pays ch 6 & 13. It is THE SAME content. These channels are already making a truck load on advertising, they dont need yet more money from cable customers for a signal they are broadcasting over the air. TWC is actually fighting for us here guys, you need to see that.

[SONY007]

the few cents a few people mention, add that up. Once you give in to redo one contract, you have to redo every contract that comes along for HD. So theres a nice cable hike for us HD subs, and were vastly outnumbered for regular subs, so all will pay for it. I want these channels badly, but the locals are wrong here.

[MasterFX1]

"Satellite companies charge for HD content, more than TWC charges me. Dish Network wants $9.99 & DirecTV wants $10.99."

They also provide ESPN-HD... another content provider demanding to be compensated for their HD signal. TWC does not.
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"I hope TW never pays for the HDTV signal from 6 and 13, it will only cause my bill to go higher!!!!!"

Your Bill will go up regardless, trust me.
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"What if TWC stopped carrying the analog broadcast of WRGB! Than what? Would everyone run out and buy antenna's just to see WRGB? I think not."

If they dropped CBS, NBC & WB... I think a lot of people would grudgengly break down and go OTA... Look, content is king. People want to see the shows they like. And the most watched shows are on CBS and NBC. I myself came to realize I spend most of my time watching network affiliates, so I dropped cable all together.
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"6 and 13 want me to buy an antenna to get the HDTV signal, i'm in a high rise apt bldg and i dont have that option"

By Law, your landlord has to provide you with access to an antenna or allow you to erect and install one. Normally, high rises have antennas that are already wired to all the apartments. (There was TV before Cable)
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"I would pay more for a full time hdtv channel like hdnet or discovery hd but channel 6 only has a few hours of hdtv content a day and channel 13 has even less ."

I don't see how lame programming repeated at nasua trumps the big networks. These stations are not laying down the bucks to get the big events... SuperBowl, Daytona500, MarchMadness, Masters, Olympics. After the first month the luster of Discovery, INHD and HDnet seems to have worn off for me.

[morgan1]

good to know that time warner reads this, they should get some idea from this that were NOT about to pay more for HDTV signals from local stations, it just causes our cable bill to go up and like most with road runner i'm over $150.00 now, if it goes much higher something will just have to go like hbo, and maybe the dvr or it might be time to look at DSL .

[kia303]

If something is not done soon, I am switching to VOOM. They have something like 35 HD channels with ESPN and TNT HD coming soon. Plus the OTA antenna and receiver is included. I will lose my HD recorder though and that is big for me.
Kurt