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Post by Terrier on Oct 6, 2004 21:31:32 GMT -5
Hello, I'm a new forum member and hope it's OK to jump right in with a question. I have a Samsung SIR-351 OTA Receiver, and I can pull in WMHT and WNYT very strong. I also get WRGB, although the signal is a bit weaker and sometimes pixelates.
What I can't understand is why WTEN won't come in at all for me. The WTEN engineer (Skeeter) corresponded with me a bit, and we can't figure it out. I've tried channel 26 and channel 10. I've tried having the receiver auto-program the channels. It just skips right by the WTEN slot. "No signal" shows up every time I try and tune to it.
My understanding is that WTEN's signal comes from the same tower as WMHT and the others, and the wattage is equal to WMHT's as well. What could I be doing wrong? Thanks in advance.
- Eric
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Post by olivedog on Oct 7, 2004 11:14:40 GMT -5
Hey Terrier, I'm new to the forum too and have been having similiar problems. I have D* and have tried amplified rabbit ears on first floor and second hooked into Sam HD 360. On first floor I get (pretty decent but only 45%) ch 6 and 13 and 17 cuts in and out but no 10 or 26 or 45. 10 was nothing but snow! While experimenting with ears on second floor, 26 came in, not too bad about 45%, but still no 10. Do you use a rooftop antenna? A guy at local RS told me rabbit ears and new variations are useless and my next quesiton was with the new satellite clip on antennas (if anyone has experience, gladdly appreciate). He said due to my location a rooftop was the only thing that would work. I really find that hard to beleive since the rabbit ears upstairs pulled most in pretty good. So, my next attempt might be with clip on type. I think I'll wait to see how 23 comes in with REars downstairs before running new cable..If you find anything out about 10 let me know!
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Post by MasterFX1 on Oct 7, 2004 12:21:58 GMT -5
Comparing Outdoor antennas to Indoor antennas is like comparing Ferrari to Huffy.
The winter is approaching quick, don't get stuck trying to install an antenna on a snow and ice covered roof.
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Post by Terrier on Oct 7, 2004 17:24:08 GMT -5
Olivedog, I use an outdoor antenna (pretty long run with 3 splits, so I amplify it along the way). Through my latest correspondence with Skeeter over at WTEN, he wonders if it could have anything to do with 720p signals not going over well with my setup, which is a Mitsubishi WS-55807 set and a Samsung SIR-351 receiver. The Mits set has a HDTV component input that is only labeled as "1080i/480p/480i". But my understanding is that it can upconvert (downconvert?) a 720p signal just fine. That would truly rot if that's not the case. Sounds like you're ahead of me, as you can at least get a weak Channel 26.  |
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Post by MasterFX1 on Oct 7, 2004 18:10:11 GMT -5
Terrier-
Set your Samsung's output to be fixed on 1080i and see if that works.
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Post by Terrier on Oct 8, 2004 4:11:34 GMT -5
MasterFX1,
Alas, it is and always has been set to 1080i.
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Post by MasterFX1 on Oct 8, 2004 7:52:30 GMT -5
Hmmm... I don't think your set has anything to do with it. I would try to test another model OTA receiver, although getting your hands on one may prove to be challenge.
Re: Line Amps - You mentioned you amplify your signal along the way. Your amplifier (If you need one) should be at the "Head End." Amplify your signal before you split it up... the closer to the antenna the better. As the signal travels through wires and splitters it picks up additional interference. If your amp is at the other end, your amplifying all that extra noise. You could try turning off your amp to get WTEN-DT, you may have too strong a signal.
Re: Antenna Type and Direction - If you plan to experiment with your rooftop antenna, be sure to do it before the weather gets too bad. Never work on your roof by yourself. I don't know where you live, but you can play with adjusting your direction, maybe there's some wierd bounce off a hill somewhere. Also, try and look up the reception specs for that antenna, it could be that rf26 is that particular antenna type's weak point.
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Post by Terrier on Oct 8, 2004 8:40:22 GMT -5
Yep, I'm thinking another receiver as well, although I'd heard nothing but good things about the SIR-351. From what I've read, the 351 takes 720p signals and converts them to 1080i when the selector switch is set to 1080i.
As for amplification, I'm definitely doing all the amplification before any splitting. And when I turn amplification off, I get absolutely no HDTV channels.
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Post by olivedog on Oct 8, 2004 9:53:52 GMT -5
Hey Terrier, I agree with FX1. It isn't the tv. I've seen other posts on other sites about problems with receivers not picking up (auto-programming) channels. I don't know much about your receiver so this may not appy, but Sam 360 gives a couple ways to program OTA including a auto scan and area code scan. Either way, my received never picked up a channel 10 either. I said I had snow on 10, my mistake, that was 19.1. Here are the digitals it did pick up of which 6 and 13 come in good.6.1,6.2,6.3,13.1,13.2,17.1,17.3,19.1,26.1,45.1. I gotta say though, it seems that since we are having problems only with 10 that the problem is with 10 and not our equipment! Maybe we are both in a bad zone or something.
FX1---I agree with you on the antennas, I know that a rooftop is #1 option but I disagree with you on one thing...Winter is already here! Do you have any insight on amplified satellite clip ons?
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Post by MasterFX1 on Oct 8, 2004 10:30:44 GMT -5
Olivedog- Clip-on-dish antennas have not gotten good reviews. Also, I think you have some confusion concerning WTEN-DT. They transmit on channel 26 (usually represented as rf26) but that signal should get mapped by your receiver to display as 10-1 and 10-2. There is no digital channel on rf10.
Are you really receiving a 26-1? If so what are you seeing?
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Post by olivedog on Oct 8, 2004 12:40:21 GMT -5
FX-1...Thanks for the info on the antenna. I guess I did misunderstand from the beginning..I thought there actually was an rf10... My receiver doesn't map anything to 10.1...
Yes, with amplified ears on second floor 26.1 came in unstable; very weak, snow and no sound to about 45% and pixelated (only tried it a day until wife got sick of cable running through the house). It was WTEN programming, the same as anolog 10 but not sure if HD. With ears on first floor its all snow with sound. 19.1 came in pretty clear on 2fl but isn't that out of Mass?
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Post by MasterFX1 on Oct 8, 2004 13:46:24 GMT -5
Olivedog- I suspect 1 of 2 things...
1. The signal you got on 26 was not up long enough or strong enough for the PSIP data to properly make it to the receiver. Thus the channel did not get mapped to 10-1 and 10-2.
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2. There could actually be an incompatibility with the PSIP configuration and certain STBs. (I know there's a bug in WEWB's PSIP, because many times people get it mapped to 43-2 instead of 45-1.) I would look to inquire if anyone else locally with your exact same STB model can receive the channel in question.
BTW, there is an rf10 signal, it's the analog station. Analog and Digital stations cannot co-exist on the same rf in the same geographic area.
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Post by olivedog on Oct 8, 2004 14:02:49 GMT -5
Makes sense. I am going to reset and try over again this weekend and see what happens. Sometimes, starting over is the best thing to do...I may also play with tv SM!!!
Samsung SIR360 D*
Samsung DLP HLP4663
If anyone has any tips for either I'd love to hear them..
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Post by olivedog on Oct 12, 2004 9:50:16 GMT -5
Happy to report that after resetting and rescanning my DTV receiver, I now receive 10.1 and 10.2. I guess third time is a charm. Signal comes in at about 65% which is better than other channels and only with amplified rabbit ears. Thanks for everyone's suggestions..
Terrier, I hope you get it to work..
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Post by Terrier on Oct 12, 2004 10:32:54 GMT -5
Olivedog,
Congrats! I'm still having no luck with my SIR-351. I've unplugged it, let it re-scan channels. It just won't pick up 10 (or 23 for that matter). Skeeter at WTEN said he was going to play with a SIR-351 at the studio and let me know if there's anything they can find.
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