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Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #60 on Feb 22, 2008, 2:10pm »
Information on the new channels from TW Email
HD PPV - channel 803 HD PPV is an events pay-per-view channel that will host In Demand PPV events such as UFC, boxing, wresting and other events. This channel is scheduled to feature "UFC 82: Pride of a Champion" on Saturday, March 1.
TEAM HD - channel 1909 TEAM HD is the high-definition complement to the sports package NBA League Pass. This HD channel will be tied to the sports package so if you subscribe to NBA League Pass and have a Time Warner Cable HD set-top box, you will get this channel. Only select games in HD. Schedule TBD.
GAME HD - channel 1929 GAME HD is the high-definition complement to the sports packages NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings. This HD channel will be tied to the sports packages so if you subscribe to NHL Center Ice or MLB Extra Innings and have a Time Warner Cable HD set-top box, you will get this channel and its programming. Only select games in HD. Schedule TBD.
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #61 on Feb 22, 2008, 6:27pm »
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I am a bit confused, someone please help follow this. If most of the people on this chat page have a cable tuner from tW and a cablecard why not just watch the new hd chs on the cable tuner? I use the 8300 and it works on the sdv stuff mentioned.
My tv had cablecard as well. I rarely use it and it only costs me a couple bucks so I don't feel too left out. My thought is its a old tech now. I read the fcc forced tv companies to incorporate cablecard into the sets maybe abit too early in the HD world. I read the tru2way devices that are being dev now are all going to be compatible with sdv and would be able to get these new chs. Looking around at the local stores I don't see new tvs having the cablecard since the manufacturers seemed to have abandoned the tech.
Now will going to dish or Verison allow me to use my cablecard to pick up channels? It seems that I would need a receiver from them to get the chs just like I do from cable.
I would rather get these new hd chs than not personally. If it means death to this cablecard then so be it.
With my tail between my legs, back in my dog house for a cold night...
For me it's because I have a TivoHD. I HAD the SA 8300 HD DVR piece of crap. I'm sorry, but any DVR that can't handle 'season pass', randomly reboots, randomly deletes all your "season passes", randomly records 2 minutes of a 1 hour show, etc. is a piece of crap and I refuse to pay for it.
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #62 on Feb 22, 2008, 6:28pm »
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If most of the people on this chat page have a cable tuner from tW and a cablecard why not just watch the new hd chs on the cable tuner?
I have two TiVo HD's, which use cable cards to tune digital cable. The TiVo has an exceptional user interface and allows me to transfer shows between DVRs, show my home photos on my HDTV's, and save TV shows to my computer hard drive (or DVDs). There's much more it can do, too. The TW issued DVR will not do these things and my experiences showed it was not a reliable recorder.
TiVo has announced a "tuning resolver" is being developed to allow TiVo's to received SDV channels. The tuning resolver will reportedly be available in 2Q 2008 (April-June).
I kept a cable box around so I could report on the status of SDV deployment for this message board.
Only caution on the tuning resolver is that only ONE company even has a prototype so far (that they've announced). And it's not SA. From what I can tell on the Tivo forums, SA has not even begun to develop one yet. And of course, TW here uses SA equipment.
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Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #65 on Feb 26, 2008, 2:09pm »
dkennedy:
Thanks for posting a copy of the letter. It is a little difficult to read, so I'll paste the text below:
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February 13, 2008
Dear Valued Customer,
Time Warner Cable would like to thank you for choosing us to be your video provider. Below you will find important information regarding upcoming changes that will affect your ability to access certain channels on your one-way CabIeCARD-equipped retail device.
The current generation of CableCARD-compatible devices sold at retail, known as Unidirectional Digital Cable Products (“UDCPs”) or Digital Cable Ready devices, only allow you to access our “one-way” services. in order to access On Demand programming, the Interactive Program Guide, switched digital video (“SDV”). and other “two-way” services, you must use digital cable equipment that includes two-way capabilities, such as a TWC-provided set-top box.
SDV is a particularly exciting technological breakthrough that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services, including new HD channels and HD versions of popular existing channels, to all of our customers. In fact, we recently launched several new services in your area using SDV — services that many of you, because you also use a digital cable set-top box with two-way capabilities, currently enjoy. SDV allows us to provide these additional services while continuing to offer existing services because channels delivered using SDV are only transmitted over the cable system on an “as needed” basis. As a result, SDV uses system capacity, or bandwidth, more efficiently than the traditional, “always on” method. However, in order to launch all the new services our customers want, we must first migrate some existing services to SDV in order to make additional bandwidth available.
Starting on Tuesday, March 18th, 2008, Time Warner Cable will begin providing a number of our existing channels via SDV. The list is as follows:
TBS HD (channel 1805) A&E HD (channel 1838) Universal HD (channel 1860)
Once these channels become two-way services, they no longer will be accessible on UDCPs, which lack the necessary interactive capabilities to request that a channel be made available. This means you will need digital cable equipment with two-way capabilities to view them, just as you need such equipment to access the other interactive services that we offer. In addition, you should be aware that in the future other channels currently accessible on a UDCP may be migrated to SDV, and new services will be launched using that two-way technology. Time Warner Cable digital cable set-top boxes provide the capability to view two-way services. in addition, in the future, we expect that devices available for purchase at retail will enable access to the two-way services that we provide.
If you would like to obtain equipment from Time Warner Cable that provides access to two-way services, we offer many attractive pricing plans that include such devices, which we’d be happy to review with you. Please contact us at 866-321-2225 to discuss these options or if you have any questions.
We thank you again for your patronage. Time Warner Cable of Albany
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Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #67 on Feb 26, 2008, 4:09pm »
I think TWC should reimburse their customers the value of now-defunct equipment that many subscribers invested in. And yes, the FCC should be all over this. The onus is on TWC subscribers to gripe to the FCC and NYS-AG's office (in postal-delivered letters, not e-mail or phone calls.)
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #68 on Feb 26, 2008, 6:14pm »
Legally the FCC is at fault. They forced the cable companies and tv manufacturers to work around a standard, cablecard, that was defunct from the start. I don't rem hearing comcast and warner cable out their pushing for cablecard. They just met the rules imposed by the fcc.
The fcc pushed everyone into this knowing it was not able to get vod services, and that it wasnt compatible with satelite and some other video services.
I personally don't feel upset at cable, I am upset that I was forced into buying a technology that was not destined to last. I didnt get to say no I dont want cablecard built into my tv and I didnt go out looking for a tv that had it. Although I must say the people at best buy touted it as the best thing. I now feel the cost of that tv was higher than it needed to be due to having cablecard.
Lets keep in perspective the only reason for the DTV transition next year... BILLIONS of $$$$$$ for our government. Maybe that will cover the $600 rebate I am getting for taxes and the 2 dig receiver coupons I am getting. Highly doubt it. Stuff your pockets a little more Mr. VP, you only gots 10 mths left!
Back out to shovel some white crap... Don't forget, dont eat the yellow snow!
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #69 on Feb 26, 2008, 6:37pm »
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Legally the FCC is at fault. They forced the cable companies and tv manufacturers to work around a standard, cablecard, that was defunct from the start. I don't rem hearing comcast and warner cable out their pushing for cablecard. They just met the rules imposed by the fcc.
The fcc pushed everyone into this knowing it was not able to get vod services, and that it wasnt compatible with satelite and some other video services.
I personally don't feel upset at cable, I am upset that I was forced into buying a technology that was not destined to last. I didnt get to say no I dont want cablecard built into my tv and I didnt go out looking for a tv that had it. Although I must say the people at best buy touted it as the best thing. I now feel the cost of that tv was higher than it needed to be due to having cablecard.
Lets keep in perspective the only reason for the DTV transition next year... BILLIONS of $$$$$$ for our government. Maybe that will cover the $600 rebate I am getting for taxes and the 2 dig receiver coupons I am getting. Highly doubt it. Stuff your pockets a little more Mr. VP, you only gots 10 mths left!
Back out to shovel some white crap... Don't forget, dont eat the yellow snow!
I couldn't disagree more. The cable companies ARE to blame (and so is the FCC for failing to enforce it and let cable get away with it). They wanted and still do, a proprietary system to force us to rent their STB and use TV THEIR way, not "our way". Cable had TEN YEARS to get with cable card and they were dragged kicking and screaming into it and as a result, made it as lame as possible. It's no surprise that after the FCC required it, they come up with a technology to circumvent it so you have to go BACK to using their equipment at their rates.
You're upset because you're forced to buy a technology? You didn't have to buy a TV with cable card (there's plenty out there without them). But with SDV you ARE forced to use TW STB and pay for it. And, if you want a DVR for HD now (except for the locals) you're forced to rent their crappy STB with their crappy software.
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #70 on Feb 26, 2008, 7:22pm »
hey buddy lighten up! This is TV we are talkin about.. If you only get off on TV in life then maybe you need to get a life!
When I was buying my tv, all the models of the Samsung and Sony in the size and type of tv I wanted ONLY came with cable card!
That was then, and now look at things. You would have to go searching for a TV that has it. Of course there is TIVO but I never liked using others Tivos so I never got one.
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #71 on Feb 26, 2008, 8:05pm »
I agree Shane, I had cable card, realized it was junk... got rid of it.Now I use converters, not perfect, but much less problems. I don't believe that cable is "Forcing" me into buying a cable card, I can get a dish, a converter, or for now 'rabbit ears' if I choose to do so. What changed my mind was when the cable guy was at my house for the 4th time for cable card, and basicaly said "look, these arent going so well, we waste more time & money rolling trucks and sendinf people out for these, and at the end of the day,we cant' totally fix everything, your better off with a converter,if not I'll be back in a week or so if you want to keep the card." Swtiched... havent seen them since
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #72 on Feb 26, 2008, 9:38pm »
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hey buddy lighten up! This is TV we are talkin about.. If you only get off on TV in life then maybe you need to get a life!
When I was buying my tv, all the models of the Samsung and Sony in the size and type of tv I wanted ONLY came with cable card!
That was then, and now look at things. You would have to go searching for a TV that has it. Of course there is TIVO but I never liked using others Tivos so I never got one.
So go rent a TW STB and then you won't mind SDV.
I'm not aware of any TV that won't work with a TW STB, so I'm not sure why you were FORCED to use a cable card.
And this is a board that discusses (gasp) TV, BTW.
You want to talk about life or sports or religion or politics or other things, go find another board.
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Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #73 on Feb 27, 2008, 10:49am »
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I agree Shane, I had cable card, realized it was junk... got rid of it.Now I use converters, not perfect, but much less problems. I don't believe that cable is "Forcing" me into buying a cable card, I can get a dish, a converter, or for now 'rabbit ears' if I choose to do so. What changed my mind was when the cable guy was at my house for the 4th time for cable card, and basicaly said "look, these arent going so well, we waste more time & money rolling trucks and sendinf people out for these, and at the end of the day,we cant' totally fix everything, your better off with a converter,if not I'll be back in a week or so if you want to keep the card." Swtiched... havent seen them since
Lets not forget though that CableCards for $1.75/mo and STBs are $8/mo.
So no they aren't forcing you, but YOU are paying for the issue, not them. And that's bulls***
Re: Switched Digital Video (SDV) now being used by « Reply #74 on Feb 27, 2008, 1:04pm »
Absolutley, XZI, but for the 6 bucks or whatever the difference is from the card, to me its worth not having to deal with all the headaches and problems I keep reading about on here. Like I said, they basicall told me the card sucks, so it just saves me some headaches, aspirin isnt cheap either. To each their own right.
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